Comments on: Why you should boycott Nathaniel’s restaurant in Owen Sound

By: gordon

gordon — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:10:43 +0000

Which “mom”? The waitress? I’ve never met her. I wrote this entry in response to the CTV story.

At no point do I recall reading anything about her being on welfare.

By: Billy

Billy — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:41:59 +0000

The Mom must have started this. Is she on welfare?

By: Allen

Allen — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:09:27 +0000

Have these guys gone out of business yet?

By: Phyllis

Phyllis — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:38:02 +0000

Is that to say that if I work there and get cancer that I can\’t serve customers while having chemo? That would be a human rights violation.

By: Dan

Dan — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:01:22 +0000

“Compare and contrast”

Sure. If you suspend a restaurant employee for not showering then your patrons will thank you and business will improve. Suspend a an employee for shaving her head for charity then your patrons will flee in droves, your business will fail and you will become a local pariah.

Is that compared and contrasted enough?

By: Evolving Squid

Evolving Squid — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:53:05 +0000

So here’s a question for all you shaved-head fetishists. Compare and contrast the employer suspending her for having a shaved head with an employer suspending an employee for only showering once a week.

By: Evolving Squid

Evolving Squid — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:50:25 +0000

FYI: The restaurant owner apologized in the paper today, and reiterated that she was not fired.

>>How about this scenario then: you have a good or great employee
>>which is something you should be greatful for and one day through
>>no fault of her own she gets cancer or another illness and loses all
>>her hair. Do you fire her or reprimand her

That is not relevant to this situation. Stacy doesn’t have a medical condition that caused her hair to fall out… she shaved it off. Not the same thing at all. That’s the point people are missing in this. It’s not a matter of Stacy having cancer – she doesn’t. It’s a matter of a bad haircut. Totally, utterly, completely not the same thing.

>>it is not really relevant in this day and age

Bull. It’s as completely relevant today as it was 100 years ago. Anyone who thinks is isn’t is deluded. Just because some employers don’t care doesn’t mean that all employers don’t care – or shouldn’t care.

>>noserings, tongue rings, earrings sticking out of many places on
>>their face etc.?

People with such things often find it difficult to get professional, customer-facing work. In many jobs such things are actually dangerous. Don’t kid yourself about this. Sure, there may be some minimum wage jobs that will take you with a head full of metal and a keychain hanging off your balls, but there are plenty of jobs that won’t.

>>For those who thought it was Dan Hilliard’s right to do what he
>>did, “HYPOCRITES!”

Hardly. When I ran my company, people had to present a pleasing appearance when in front of a customer. I wouldn’t have gone on about a shaved head (especially not for a cancer charity thing) but you can bet I would have for a whole raft of other things such as piercings and tattoos.

Personally, I have long hair. I’ve been given the waggly finger about it a few times in previous jobs. I quit those jobs and went somewhere else. I practice what I preach. I didn’t rant out the company.

>>For the customers who think they have any right to dictate what their >>server looks like

Customers have every right to dictate what their server looks like. They do so by complaining to management and voting with their feet. If I think the people who face the customers at your business are freaks, I don’t patronize it. If you want business, you cater to your customers’ requirments.

>>Self-expression

The work place isn’t for self-expression. The workplace is for work. Express yourself on your own time.

>>Yep, perfect world means the stupid are still allowed to co-mingle with
>>those of us who actually have compassion for others

It’s got nothing to do with compassion.

By: Rick

Rick — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:08:41 +0000

And there you have it, the “other people with cancer examples” and my points exactly. I read the above replies and now i’ll say this too. I asked an employer of a business one time “why do you allow THE worker to sport all those earrings and those diff. colours in their hair?” Remember, I said I’m old school. I wasn’t condemning it, was asking because I know some will rant and rave as they’d think that was their right as a “customer.” The employer replied “that’s one of my best workers so I allow it and yes, some grandma’s and parents make comments but I just ignore them. Self-expression doesn’t amtter to me if what i really need is a good, honest and caring worker which is what i pay them to be-expect them to be.” How’s this now, it won’t matter what any of our interpretations will be, this owner is gonna fry when it comes to the issue of discrimination and there’ll be alot of support for her side and yes, from some men too. How about an example of an interpretation for say the colour PINK, some of you will think that colour means gay correct? Really? How were you raised and what kind of an attitude should you be judged about then? To end here too, think about all the strange people in this world, something like a neighbour who was later found to have buried dozens of people in his basement and his neighbours all commented “gee, I would have never known, he seemed so normal.” Yet when you looked at a person like that, cleancut, no earrings, no tattoos, seemed simple, normal, an everyday citizen??? How about some of you people realize that a person like the waitress is being judged by that jerk who probably has a pretty shallow opinion about himself to begin with. For the customers who think they have any right to dictate what their server looks like maybe they should go off and start one of those “perfect societies” so often thought about in the past. Yep, perfect world means the stupid are still allowed to co-mingle with those of us who actually have compassion for others

By: Rick

Rick — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:51:39 +0000

So, without reading anything above yet, I’d have to say this to those who are stupid enough to agree with Dan Hilliard’s decision. How about this scenario then: you have a good or great employee which is something you should be greatful for and one day through no fault of her own she gets cancer or another illness and loses all her hair. Do you fire her or reprimand her because of that or are you too stupid to see that it is not really relevant in this day and age of employees at say Walmart etc. who have things like noserings, tongue rings, earrings sticking out of many places on their face etc.? Talk about an arrogant bunch of people to think they have the right to dictate how long a person’s hair should be, man or woman’s! I’m old school and have raised my kids too but if they are doing something good or great for others, what do I do, take ‘em out in the backyard and whip ‘em because they decide to puncture their face with earrings? They go on to become brain surgeons but I still think they’re bad because they chose to express themselves which is actually their right to do so as long as they aren’t out hurting others? If I had to summarize my thoughts on what I heard about this wonderful woman and her thoughtfulness to do something like she did, I’d say “humanitarian.” For those who thought it was Dan Hilliard’s right to do what he did, “HYPOCRITES!” On the other hand though, guess some would think Hooter’s having women show their “assets” in the way they do is fine too? I could care less as long as the food is great and service too but their main feature at he place is definitely for the one reason and people know it. If I went to Nathaniel’s restaurant I doubt if how long a person’s hair is or isn’t should concern me but what would piss me off is knowing that the owner is a moron and could stoop to such a level of idiocy. One can only hope if he ends up bankrupted or sued, magically it only hurts him and anyone decent there moves on in life unscathed. Not a perfect world though, loss of business will hurt those who don’t deserve it, this guy is trash no matter what though. Now I’ll go and read what I already know will be above, a few idiots who think that was a good solution and she deserved it huh???????

By: Violet

Violet — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:31:52 +0000

i used to eat there all the time… but i will never set one pretty pink pedicured toe in there ever again! : (